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Message: #226688, S/9 Dev. Environments
Date: Jeu 31 Aoû 1995 6:12:00
Subject: need great OO dev tools
From: STEVE DONELOW 76754,3630
To: ALL
Reply: #226738 (2 replies)
I'm a Nextstep developer, 6 years experience, before that a Smalltalk developer, 4 years experience, for a total of 10 years experience. I need to develop applications for the Mac which can communicate with our HP server across the Internet and access our Sybase database. I need a very robust, object oriented development environment for the Mac. C++ won't cut it. What is available? Your input is greatly appreciated.
Steve Donelow
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Message: #226738, S/9 Dev. Environments
Date: Jeu 31 Aoû 1995 21:23:17
Subject: #226688-need great OO dev tools
From: Scott Ribe 73507,3041
To: STEVE DONELOW 76754,3630
Steve,
The two choices on the Mac that I can think that you might like are SmallTalk Agents and Prograph CPX. I'm not a user of either one, so you'll have to dig around for information on their network support classes.
-Scott
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Message: #226850, S/9 Dev. Environments
Date: Ven 1 Sep 1995 20:13:02
Subject: #226688-need great OO dev tools
From: Mayson Lancaster 70441,3263
To: STEVE DONELOW 76754,3630
>> I need a very robust, object oriented development environment for the Mac. <<
Four candidates spring to mind: SmalltalkAgents from QKS, Prograph CPX, a graphic<no source code- pictures only> OO/data flow language/framework from Pictorius (?), MCL (Macintosh Common Lisp) from (?)Digitool (formerly from Apple), and Oberon/F from Oberon microsystems, a cross-platform IDE/framework.
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Message: #226779, S/13 Tools/Debuggers
Date: Ven 1 Sep 1995 5:47:21
Subject: MacAnalyst/MacDesigner
From: Greg Alexander 72247,1227
To: All
Reply: #226856 (1 reply)
How useful do you find MacAnalyst and MacDesigner?
Are they Power Macintosh native?
They seem expensive. Are upgrades also expensive? How much has it cost to maintain current versions over a couple of years?
Can these products update C++ class definitions without affecting implementation code?
Does MacAnalyst support Event Traces?
....Greg Alexander....
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Message: #226856, S/13 Tools/Debuggers
Date: Ven 1 Sep 1995 21:33:29
Subject: #226779-MacAnalyst/MacDesigner
From: Scott Ribe 73507,3041
To: Greg Alexander 72247,1227
Greg,
RE: How useful do you find MacAnalyst and MacDesigner?
Not very, frankly.
I want a good CASE tool, I need a good CASE tool. MacAnalyst was the best I could find, but it is still very difficult to use. NOT because of the richness of the product and so forth, but because the user interface sucks.
I've heard S-Case is better, but I've not looked. I probably will.
I probably will not bother upgrading MacAnalyst.
-Scott
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Drive improves on the Zip drive's minor irritations but can't match its features.
By Dale Coleman
With its introduction of the EZ135 Drive, SyQuest Technology Inc. is betting that low-end users want secondary storage that's inexpensive and easy to use. If you think you've heard that line before, you have -- the EZ135 exists as a direct response to the phenomenal interest in Iomega Corp.'s Zip drive.
The EZ135's packaging fairly shouts the claim that the SyQuest product beats the Zip "hands down." That assertion may suffer from a bit of marketing hyperbole, but SyQuest has addressed most of the minor irritations of the Iomega product with this new drive.
More megabytes
The single-sided 3.5-inch SyQuest cartridge drive holds more: It formats to a 130-Mbyte capacity compared with the Zip's 98-Mbyte capacity. And the EZ135 is 50 percent to 100 percent faster than the Zip, although both drives are bottom feeders in the mass storage ocean when it comes to speed. But although SyQuest has copied the core idea of the Zip drive -- affordable, portable storage -- the company has ignored most of the Zip features that are responsible for its widespread acceptance among Mac users (see MacWEEK, April 17, Page 26).
The EZ135 Drive comes in both external SCSI and internal IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics) flavors. We tested the external SCSI drive, which has an estimated street price of $239.95 (the price includes one 135-Mbyte cartridge). Additional cartridges are available for an estimated $19.95 street price.
The internal IDE drive's estimated street price is $199.95. SyQuest said that a parallel port version is in the works, with an expected October ship date.
The EZ135 Drive is packaged with a 25-to-50-pin standard SCSI cable, a SCSI terminator and a printed quick-start guide. Despite its PowerBook-gray design, the EZ135 is a SyQuest removable drive to the core, with dual 50-pin SCSI connectors, push-button SCSI ID, and the standard complement of front-panel features: power on and ready lights, spin-down button, and cartridge lever.
Setup is a snap. A small utility scans the Mac's SCSI bus and suggests a SCSI ID for those who are befuddled by such tasks. The EZ135 is bundled with La Cie Ltd.'s Silverlining Lite utility, which is simple to install and use.
Feel the power
Unlike the Zip drive, the EZ135 has an power switch, although it's inconveniently located on the rear of the unit. But any legal SCSI ID is supported, unlike the Zip drive, which must be set to either ID 5 or 6.
At 2.3 pounds, the EZ135 is more than twice as heavy as the Zip, and we think this will discourage all but the most motivated of PowerBook users from toting the EZ135 as a transportable device.
Same size, different format
Although the EZ135 cartridges are the same size as SyQuest's 105- and 270-Mbyte cartridges, they are incompatible with them. The larger-capacity drives incorporate double-sided technology, while the EZ135 uses a single-sided mechanism, a design feature critical to maintaining the drive's low price.
The cartridges themselves are relatively bulky, even more so when reposing in their soft plastic carrying case, where they take up about the same space as two CD-ROM jewel cases stacked atop each other. By contrast, the Zip cartridges are slightly larger than a standard floppy disk. If you're carrying more than a couple of cartridges, you'll quickly appreciate the more compact design of both the Zip drive and cartridges.
In our real-world experience the EZ135 cartridge was extremely durable, surviving missed catches from distances of up to nine feet unscathed. Since the EZ135 cartridge is very similar in design and construction to existing 3.5-inch SyQuest cartridges, it seems reasonable
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Message: #112759, S/3 MacWEEK Daily News
Date: Jeu 31 Aoû 1995 3:59:00
Subject: #112758-Review: SyQuest EZ135
From: MacWEEK Online News 72511,302
To: MacWEEK Online News 72511,302
Reply: #112760 (1 reply)
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to assume that with normal care EZ135 cartridges will outlast their five-year warranty.
Relative unease of use
The EZ135 is no more awkward to use than any other SyQuest drive, which means inserting and removing cartridges is a multistep process: Spin down drive, wait for indicator light to give the OK-to-proceed signal, manipulate the eject-seat lever, remove cartridge.
This is a minor concern if you rarely swap cartridges, but it can be an inconvenience and medium-scale annoyance for frequent swappers, especially when you compare the process with the Zip drive's floppy-disk-style operation: Drag the disk icon to Trash, remove cartridge when it ejects.
Unlike the Zip, which is so light that the SCSI cables cause it to tip over if you try to place it on its side, the pudgy little EZ135 holds its own when operating on its side.
Slow hand
If responsive performance is on your list of necessary features of your secondary storage requirements, you're not likely to be completely satisfied with either the EZ135 or the Zip. You're better off considering a standard SyQuest or Iomega Bernoulli drive.
Still, the EZ135 outperformed the Zip in every test we subjected it to. Unless you regularly open large graphics files residing on an EZ135 or Zip, you're unlikely to spend much time worrying about performance. When opening small files, such as Apple QuickTake camera image files, the drive speed is of no consequence.
Purchase backup
SyQuest warrants the EZ135 drive for two years and the cartridges for five years. SyQuest's marketing department puts great emphasis on the fact that its technology has a reliable track record. Our experience with Zip drives and cartridges, which rely on a combination of traditional Bernoulli and Winchester technologies, is also positive, although it is still early in the product's life.
Conclusions
Greater capacity and better performance figures are important factors in evaluating drive performance. By these measures and a few others, the EZ135 Drive certainly does beat the Iomega Zip drive "hands down." But other factors, such as overall usability and ergonomic design, are also important. In addition to its small price advantage, the $199.95 (estimated street price) Zip wins the ease-of-use derby by virtue of several innovations, including its floppy-disk cartridge insertion and removal and a take-me-along attitude inspired by its lightweight design and compact cartridges. While the Zip could benefit from a power switch and a standard SCSI ID range selection -- features of almost every other SCSI drive on the planet -- most users will find it much simpler to use and more aesthetically appealing than the EZ135 Drive.
Had it arrived 12 months ago, the EZ135 might easily enjoy the huge popularity that now surrounds Iomega's small blue drive. Instead, it has the distinct feel of a "me-too" effort reflecting little inspiration despite its clear edge in drive speed and warranty.
SyQuest Technology Inc. of Fremont, Calif. can be reached at (510) 226-4000 or (800) 245-2278; fax (510) 226-4102; sales@syquest.com.
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EZ135 Drive
SyQuest Technology Inc.
Estimated street price: $239.95*
Overall value 3 (Good)
The EZ135 Drive is marketed as a direct competitor to Iomega Corp.'s Zip drive. With a sustained data transfer rate of 2.3 Mbytes per second and an average access time of 13.5 milliseconds, compared with the Zip's 1-Mbyte transfer rate and 30-millisecond average access time, the SyQuest delivers 50 percent or greater performance, stores 50 percent more data and has double the warranty of the Zip. It also weighs twice as much, is more awkward to use and otherwise exhibits none of the innovation found in the Zip design, although it does improve on some of the basics, (such as including a
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Message: #112760, S/3 MacWEEK Daily News
Date: Jeu 31 Aoû 1995 3:59:02
Subject: #112759-Review: SyQuest EZ135
From: MacWEEK Online News 72511,302
To: MacWEEK Online News 72511,302
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power switch). The bundled software is comparable to the Zip's, although the utility software, La Cie's Silverlining Lite, lacks the flexible security features found in Iomega's Zip Tools. Unless the additional speed and capacity are critical, the Zip is a more satisfying product for most individuals' secondary storage applications.
Performance 4 (Very good)
Features 2 (Fair)
Configuration 3 (Good)
Compatibility 4 (Very good)
Documentation/support 3 (Good)
*External SCSI version; price includes one cartridge. Additional cartridges, $19.95 each. Estimated street price for internal IDE version, $199.95.
MacWEEK 09.04.95
Reviews Page 32
(c) Copyright 1995 Ziff-Davis Publishing Co. All rights reserved. This material may not be reproduced in any form without permission.
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Message: #112811, S/3 MacWEEK Daily News
Date: Ven 1 Sep 1995 3:42:12
Subject: Gateways: FTPd 3.0.0
From: MacWEEK Online News 72511,302
To: all
Gateways: FTPd now native, works on Web
By Clifford Colby
Stairways Software Pty. Ltd. is now offering FTPd 3.0.0, the latest update to the $10 FTP server shareware. FTPd takes advantage of System 7's Users & Groups interface and the Finder's sharing privileges to let users share Macintosh volumes over the Internet.
Version 3 of the FTP software now runs native on Power Macs. However, author Peter Lewis said significant increases in performance will not be evident because the software bottleneck is typically the network, not the server.
FTPd 3.0.0 allows users to set up World-Wide Web servers by using AppleShare's Guest access to define visible files and folders. The new version lets users put pages and binary files on the Web, and Stairways said it will include support for CGI (Common Gateway Interface) scripts in a future version of FTPd.
The new version no longer has a limit of 10 anonymous users but instead shares one anonymous log-on among Web, Gopher and anonymous FTP users. The application also no longer ships with FTPd (Background), which allowed users to run FTPd in the background. Instead, FTPd has a menu item that lets users choose whether to run it in the foreground or background.
The new version is compatible with Open Transport and MacTCP 2.0.6, and Stairways said it plans to include native Open Transport code in an upcoming release.
Lewis has also included in FTPd 3.0.0 support for the Simple Internet Version Control system to help users keep track of the latest version of products. Periodically, FTPd confirms with a server that the software being used is the most recent version. If not, it alerts the user.
Lewis, who is the author of FTPd and many other Internet utilities (including Anarchie), started the Stairways company to distribute his software. Lewis said his programs will remain shareware.
Stairways Software Pty. Ltd. of Booragoon, Australia, can be reached at support@stairways.com.au; http://www.share.com/peterlewis; ftp://ftp.share.com/peterlewis.
MacWEEK 09.04.95
Gateways Page 18
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Message: #112823, S/6 PowerPC
Date: Ven 1 Sep 1995 5:51:10
Subject: #112656-New Powerbooks?JOKE!
From: Nicole Spickler 74643,2363
To: Joel Slade 72477,1064
>> Will my current memory work in the new motherboard...
at a tech preview from Apple (the week before MacWorld Boston), the Apple SE said emphatically that the Duo PPC upgrade was designed to be compatible with Duo-everything, i.e. memory, Dock, Dock II and just about all peripherals, though third-party peripherals need to checked. You should take that as good news...
malam
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Message: #112744, S/6 PowerPC
Date: Jeu 31 Aoû 1995 0:03:00
Subject: #112731-New Powerbooks?JOKE!
From: Peter S. Cotsis 74023,1420
To: Stephen Howard [MacWEEK] 72511,51 (received)
Yes, I agree with your major points. But let's see what Apple comes up with. The machines were pre-release laptops. Maybe there will be some improvement when the machines are shipped.
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Message: #112774, S/6 PowerPC
Date: Jeu 31 Aoû 1995 9:04:18
Subject: #112731-New Powerbooks?JOKE!
From: wayne fox 74756,3373
To: Stephen Howard [MacWEEK] 72511,51
I'm not sure a comm package needs native ... even in emulation they still operate way faster than even a 28.8 connection.
I'd be interested to see Speed doubler on the new Powerbooks... my 9500 went from a MacBench rating of 8.6 with Apples emulator (a Q630 gets a 10) all the way to a 22. (It blazes to a 187 in native mode). Sounds like Apple should buy Connectix emulator and include it with all Macs ... they should do this very quickly!
wayne
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Message: #112830, S/6 PowerPC
Date: Ven 1 Sep 1995 7:58:10
Subject: #112731-New Powerbooks?JOKE!
From: Farokh Lam 75300,3303
To: Stephen Howard [MacWEEK] 72511,51
Stephen,
>my current tally is that only about half the appications I use daily have native versions; the communication programs (except Netscape) are _all_ still 68K code. Then there's FileMaker, Lotus Notes, Word 5.1a (since I don't like Word 6) and portion of the Mac OS itself. I don't live in an all-native world, and I don't know anyone who does, so slow emulation performance still effects me.<<
I can understand your not liking Filemaker not being totally native, but everything else is either 1) atypical or 2) doesnt matter. The vast majority of folks out there dont use Notes (as much as Lotus/IBM may want them to), and it dont matter if a comm. program isnt fully native (the main limitation is your modem, unless you are running on a Mac Plus). And a portion of the Mac OS will almost certainly always be native (till Copland comes about), but that portion is not often used, and Apple is converting more and more of it everyday.
Me, I am going to upgrade my Duo 230 to the 2000 series motherboard, and enjoy the speed.
Farokh
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Message: #112750, S/6 PowerPC
Date: Jeu 31 Aoû 1995 2:03:13
Subject: #112729-New Powerbooks?JOKE!
From: Geof. Grieble 73113,134
To: Peter S. Cotsis 74023,1420 (received)
Reply: #112777 (2 replies)
Peter,
>>>I'm not sure that's SO bad. I'm sure Apple is getting an earful. I've been hearing rumors of 603 emulation woes for a year now, so I guess it was easy to see this coming.<<<<
Yes, I must admit I wasn't expecting the new PB's to be speed burners, but I was hoping that non-native apps would run faster than 60% of the '040 speed. As you point out perhaps Speed Doubler will broost this to an acceptable speed.
>>>>Oh well. I'm unsure whether to get a PB520 or a newer machine after reading that article. And basically, I share your disappointment. After thinking it over I just don't think it is the end of the world as we know it.<<<<
This decision could be made easier if Apple would support an upgrade to the 166MHz 603e, which is supposed to offer a better cache. I may decide to upgrade my 540 and wait a year or two for 2nd generation RISC PBs or hang in there with my '040 processor. I'll let others trailblaze the upgrade frontier to see how well it works out before deciding.
>>>>on the other hand, is Wintel going to be BETTER?<<<<
I like the Mac alot. I'll like it even better when Copland comes about and fixes some long overdue weaknesses. Right now the Wintel Laptops look very attractive from a feature/performance point of view but that will probably change with the 2nd (3rd?) generation RISC machines running Copland.
After reading MacWorld's take on these PB's I put the vein back in my forehead and calmed down. No more Wintel blasphemy from me this week <g>.
Geof
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Message: #112777, S/6 PowerPC
Date: Jeu 31 Aoû 1995 15:31:21
Subject: #112750-New Powerbooks?JOKE!
From: Peter S. Cotsis 74023,1420
To: Geof. Grieble 73113,134 (received)
Reply: #112807 (1 reply)
>>No more Wintel blasphemy<<
Thou shalt not covet the OS of the Damned.
(11th commandment)
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Message: #112807, S/6 PowerPC
Date: Ven 1 Sep 1995 3:05:03
Subject: #112777-New Powerbooks?JOKE!
From: Geof. Grieble 73113,134
To: Peter S. Cotsis 74023,1420 (received)
Peter,
>>>>Thou shalt not covet the OS of the Damned.<<<<
I'm afraid my sins go deeper than that. I don't covet the OS of the Damned, just the body it runs in <g>.
Geof
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Message: #112829, S/6 PowerPC
Date: Ven 1 Sep 1995 7:17:13
Subject: #112750-New Powerbooks?JOKE!
From: wayne fox 74756,3373
To: Geof. Grieble 73113,134 (received)
Reply: #112843 (1 reply)
>>> I may decide to upgrade my 540 and wait a year
I am now considering the same thing, but the new screen, the longer battery life (with only one battery) , the lighter weight are all very appealing. Most good software is already native, (I'm not sure I have anything of significance left that is not native.)
I'm not so dissappointed in the fact that some of the multimedia stuff isn't in these machines, after all, my guess is if you interview 1000 Powerbook users, only a handful are doing anything with multimedia on them. However, I do think that if they don't have the multimedia stuff, then the prices are too high ...
Guess I'll wait and see ...
wayne
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Message: #112843, S/6 PowerPC
Date: Ven 1 Sep 1995 14:49:19
Subject: #112829-New Powerbooks?JOKE!
From: Geof. Grieble 73113,134
To: wayne fox 74756,3373
Wayne,
>>>>I am now considering the same thing, but the new screen, the longer battery life (with only one battery) , the lighter weight are all very appealing. <<<<
I understand what yor saying. The 5300's are here (or will be shortly) and have some nice features as you mentioned. Unfortunately performance isn't one of them. On the other hand, waiting for Apple to make the ideal PB may be a very long wait. I was advised to wait out the 500 series machines for the PPC model and I'm glad I didn't. My PB540 is sufficient to allow me to wait the the 5300's in the hopes that Apple improves performance on the next model.
Speed Doubler may be the redeeming factor for both the 5300's and the PPC upgrade for the 500 series. Without that there is no way I'd switch and even with that I will wait to see how it works out before leaping to the PPC card.
Good luck in your decision.
Geof
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Message: #112764, S/6 PowerPC
Date: Jeu 31 Aoû 1995 4:35:08
Subject: #112740-OpenTransport updates !!
From: Ric Ford [MacWEEK SysOp] 72511,44
To: Jean-Philippe MARIANI 100345,3644
Reply: #112775 (1 reply)
J-P,
I'm hearing from lots of people who are disappointed about this poor support from Apple for its top customers in the critical area of dial-up Internet access. If you read the ReadMe file for 1.0.7, you'll see a note about an update that 9500 owners can order for $10 or so through an (800) number in the U.S. This obviously does nothing to help you, and I don't have any answer for you, unfortunately.
Ric
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Message: #112775, S/6 PowerPC
Date: Jeu 31 Aoû 1995 9:08:14
Subject: #112764-OpenTransport updates !!
From: John Bacon-Shone 72610,550
To: Ric Ford [MacWEEK SysOp] 72511,44 (received)
Reply: #112776 (1 reply)
>>I'm hearing from lots of people who are disappointed about this poor support from Apple for its top customers in the critical area of dial-up Internet access. If you read the ReadMe file for 1.0.7, you'll see a note about an update that 9500 owners can order for $10 or so through an (800) number in the U.S. This obviously does nothing to help you, and I don't have any answer for you, unfortunately.<<
Ric,
Gerry Hornbuckle (OT boss) has responded to this on the comm newsgroup. From memory, the issue is that Apple screwed up producing enough CDROMs for the update - CDROMs because they want you to install an updated 7.5.2 as well. Also, the OT update alone is 4MB
John
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Message: #112776, S/6 PowerPC
Date: Jeu 31 Aoû 1995 14:53:26
Subject: #112775-OpenTransport updates !!
From: Ric Ford [MacWEEK SysOp] 72511,44
To: John Bacon-Shone 72610,550 (received)
Thanks for the note, John!
Ric
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Message: #46094, S/5 Power MAC
Date: Mer 30 Aoû 1995 23:34:11
Subject: #46066-Wanted Help C++ whit VA
From: Laurent DASSIER 100607,3470
To: Craig Conner SysOp 75300,2172 (received)
Thank you very much.
Laurent Dassier.
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Message: #46125, S/5 Power MAC
Date: Jeu 31 Aoû 1995 13:45:04
Subject: #46066-Wanted Help C++ whit VA
From: Laurent DASSIER 100607,3470
To: Craig Conner SysOp 75300,2172 (received)
Reply: #46149 (1 reply)
Hello,
Thanks for your answer,
I have got another question,
Is it possible to use the SetTextHandle fonction with a parametre,
like this
fMain_Edit (i)->SetTextHandle(MyHandle)
or like this
f (windows x) _ Edit (i)
in order to use SetTextHandle in a buckle.
Thanks for advance.
Laurent Dassier.
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Message: #46149, S/5 Power MAC
Date: Jeu 31 Aoû 1995 22:26:18
Subject: #46125-Wanted Help C++ whit VA
From: Craig Conner SysOp 75300,2172
To: Laurent DASSIER 100607,3470 (received)
Laurent,
>>
I have got another question,
Is it possible to use the SetTextHandle fonction with a parametre,
like this
fMain_Edit (i)->SetTextHandle(MyHandle)
<<
If you have an array of objects, then you can do this type of thing:
myEditTextArray[i] -> SetTextHandle(myHandle);
You would have to create the array yourself. VA will not do it for you.
Craig Conner
Symantec Development Tools Support
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